Scotland & the EU

A forced Brexit changes Scotland’s constitutional debate

Screen Shot 2016-06-02 at 14.46.36I always thought that a Brexit was unlikely, however last Wednesday’s ICM poll for the Guardian shows Leave support rapidly increasing and for the first time taking the lead in both telephone and online polls. UK wide Remain sit on 42% (-5) and Leave on 46% (+6) – telephone and Remain are at 44% (-1) and Leave at 47% (+2) – online. Sunday’s YouGov showing a 4% Leave lead backs this up.  Maybe this shows that English people were more naturally nationalistic, more confident and without the Scottish cringe therefor more resistant to scaremongering.  More images of refugees on boats and French riots over the next few weeks could help the Leave side maintain its UK wide momentum all the way to the finish line even if Scotland is going in the opposite direction.

Turnout will be key, Leave supporters are more motivated to vote and even in Scotland the Remain vote is based on a practical acceptance that the common market is vital but there is no great love for the institution and I think it unlikely that George Square will fill with people waving blue star flags. The more motivated YES campaign doubled its support in the long run up to the indyref and now vote Leave has that advantage without the problems of an entirely hostile press.

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Johnson and Gove look towards imposing language requirements on immigrants

Johnson and Gove’s announcement of tighter immigration rules with the need to speak English and a points system is a potentially wining move. Locking-in and motivating the anti immigration lobby they are making a case for leading the next Government as well as for winning the EU referendum.

A Brexit against the wishes of the Scottish people would only be a trigger if it matched with support a majority support for independence.  The Scottish Parliament has an independence supporting majority but the lack of a one party majority may convince Westminster to refuse to make the referendum official. Westminster attempting to block a referendum against the will of the Scottish people would of course make it almost impossible for No to win any eventual referendum official or otherwise.

Some polling companies have been asking: ‘Would you support independence if there was a Brexit?’ But people can’t predict how they will emotionally react to a Brexit and the news coverage that follows until after that happens.  My view is that a surge in Yes support is more likely post Brexit than polls can predict as currently  people are answering based on how much they like the EU and not on how they feel about Scotland’s vote meaning nothing and that Johnson and Gove look likely to be the next PM and Chancellor!

Following a forced Brexit the options available are not as limited as you might think.  Assuming a mandate from a Scottish Remain vote of over 55%, preferably closer to 60%, then the Scottish Parliament should be asked to support a motion asserting it’s right to hold a referendum if the majority of the Scottish Parliament vote for it. The Scottish Government should then reject the Brexit result as not applying to Scotland and call for separate negotiations with the EU.  When Greenland (an autonomous part of Denmark) left the EU the Danes (being the member state) appointed a negotiator to represent Greenland, in Scotland’s case the UK’s lead negotiator for Scotland should be a team led by the First Minister. That team would then negotiate the terms of Scotland to remain an EU member state if it votes for independence prior to the UK leaving the EU.  In other words, Scotland becomes the continuing state, inheriting the UK’s membership of the EU on the basis that Scotland is currently a member, meets all EU regulations and membership criteria and has democratically voted to stay a member in a nationwide referendum. Ipso facto we are EU members and cannot be removed from EU membership as long as we are in the process of leaving the UK at the time the UK leaves the EU.  There would have to be some renegotiation of the terms of membership but exemptions from Schengen would stand as we would be maintaining open borders with the rest of the UK and Ireland and we would not qualify for joining the Euro anyway.

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President Jean-Claude Juncker, Greenlandic Premier Kim Kielsen and Danish Prime Minister Helle Thorning-Schmidt signing Greenland agreement with EU

Simultaneously the Scottish Parliament should open up negotiations on joining EFTA so that we can maintain common market access through that route if required. They should also negotiate with the UK Government as we owe it to the 55% who voted NO in 2014 to give Westminster the chance to vote through an unbreakable offer of full home rule and devolution max – everything except defence, and international relations and a progression plan towards full fiscal autonomy (they won’t).  We would then hold an independence referendum before the UK leaves the EU in 2018. The option on the ballot being only those that are 100% guaranteed and pre negotiated so there can be no vows or promises of more powers during the campaign as we know know they are already off-the-table before we vote.  So the options would likely be stay in UK but outside the EU or independence with either EU or EFTA membership depending on whats best for Scotland.  This would have the benefit of turning the 176,000 EU nationals who voted 60% No in 2014 into 70%+ Yes voters.

I asked some leading Scottish Lawyers with an interest in constitutional affairs about Scotland become the continuing state for EU membership? James Aitken says “Everyone seems to assume that in the event of the UK voting to leave but Scotland voting to stay that the only negotiations taking place will be between the EU and the UK.  That blinkered thinking ignores the political reality of the situation we would be in.  What is to stop the Scottish Government beginning its own negotiations with the EU?  Can you imagine the EU refusing such a request in these circumstances. I also suspect these negotiations will be concluded far in advance of the UK’s. What is there to discuss? Not that much. Once they are concluded a second independence could be called with the EU question already answered”. Brandon Malone points out that there are no legal presidents “All we can say with any certainty is that if Scotland votes to remain but the UK as a whole votes to leave the EU, we will have a very fluid politico legal landscape in the aftermath of the vote”.  If there were to be a Yes vote in an indyref prior to the actual Brexit date, then whether or not Scotland might be regarded as the continuing EU member as a matter of the international law, given the nature of the EU, and the lack of a rival for that position, is seems inevitable that Scotland would take the former UK’s place as member state without ever having to leave”. 

Personally I would like to see the UK vote to stay and for Scotland to decide to become an independent nation with an EU style relationship with the rest of the UK and the EU. I would like independence to come though positive motivations and not simply through a need to leave a self destructing UK.  The tightening of the polls UK wide however also brings in the possibility of what I call the Schadenfreude scenario when Scottish Stay votes keep England in the EU against it’s will, if Leave win in England by less than 1% then Scottish stay votes could carry the day and boy would that make politics very interesting.

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  • Folk want out for democracys sake. Well there is no real democracy here atm. Tory election fraud, murdoch and the house of lords make it so.
    Im a sole trader and my father in law was in shipping and haulage and weve talked about this tday. Right now we sole traders save a fortune with the simplicity of being in Europe. Any supplies n stuff from EU would cost more because of the tariffs. Even food. Aldi anyone? Lidl?
    I do not trust the elite of london to cripple and loot this UK once and for all. The nhs will be dished up to big business finally and us sole traders will be shelling out a large share of our pay on private health care. Should you get seriously injured at work, well, a wee pay out wont last long. Then no nhs,big hospital bills and certainly no state help for disablement.
    The tory union jack wont keep you n your family warm (surprising tho, its thick enough)

  • It is wrong to persuade the people of Scotland to vote tactically in favour of remaining in the EU.
    People need to use their vote based on what they think is the right choice regarding EU membership and NOT in the unlikely hope of it bringing about another independence referendum.

    Personally I don’t want our country ruled by Westminster or Brussels!

    • Being a member of the EU is not being ruled buy them its a trading union and pretty much the relationship that an independent Scotland would want with he rUK. As for voting tactically, I advise against it and suggest people educate themselves and vote based on facts and those opinions they see as valid. I think Scotland will vote for independence within a few years, if its with a Brexit then fair enough but it will be better to get more people on board with the benefits of independence and then win in 2010 or 2021 with a towards independence motivation rather than the motivation of getting out of a self destructing UK.

  • A brilliant analysis. I do think that most likely scenario is England votes leave, Scotland votes remain, overall majority out, in which case Scotland will be told to suck it up, because it voted to stay in the UK. How NO voters react to that is unclear.

    If England votes leave and Scotland’s remain vote tips the overall vote into a remain, then Middle England’s reaction will be very predictable. Headlines such as “England has spoken – and demands that its voice is heard” and “who will rid us of these turbulent Scots ” are almost guaranteed.

    At this point we will find out just how much we are regarded as ‘equal’ partners in this ‘United’ Kingdom. My guess guess is ‘not very’.

    • Thats fair enough if you mean strategically but if you mean tactically then that still requires a stay vote. I always advise against tactical voting anyway as I feel its an attempt to subvert democracy and we get enough of that thought he media.

    • Thats fair enough if you mean strategically but if you mean tactically then that still requires a stay vote. I always advise against tactical voting anyway as I feel its an attempt to subvert democracy and we get enough of that thought the media.

  • I love England but I would love to see those arrogant people who believe Scotland should be seen and not heard suck up a Scottish decision to stay sway the vote,

    • I rewrote it to make it clearer – The tightening of the polls UK wide however also brings in the possibility of what I call the Schadenfreude scenario when Scottish Stay votes keep England in the EU against it’s will, if Leave win in England by less than 1% then Scottish stay votes could carry the day and boy would that make politics very interesting.

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